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A probably easier question - Which cathedral is visible on the horizon?
Ely?

Picking up on a few of the points above…

Perhaps we shouldn’t be aiming at Brian from Bodmin if he’s not fussed and is of an age where he won’t be with us much longer?

With helping ringing to survive or even flourish, I always think on the theme of “training the trainers”.
There is a small and probably overworked group of keen ringers who are out there teaching new ringers / developing band etc. most days of the week.

So how can the CCCBR enable this keen group to flourish and expand before that group collapse with overwork?..perhaps that’s where new finance should go to help keen Henry from Helston and Tina from Truro?

@John de Overa that’s exactly my point..what’s in it for “Brian from Bodmin”.. extra ringers, extra courses to go on etc etc.

The Ringing 2030 headlines hint at this, but something more meaningful and specific to “Brain from Bodmin” is needed I think?

The recent very successful Truro Cathedral example is detailed on page 1227 of this issue of the Ringing World.
https://bb.ringingworld.co.uk/issues/5877.pdf

Launcells is in Cornwall (just), not Devon.

Suggest “I will be smiley and welcoming at all times”.. even when uncoordinated Ursula is making a pigs ear of things.

not seen that happen, but it’s possible.

without going into great detail, and as @John Harrison implies it’s less prone to bending the stay. The student gets the idea of ringing by starting from bell down and in a number of stages goes “higher and higher”, getting familiar with the swing and what the rope does before entering stay bending territory. It’s also less immediately demanding on the teacher for the same reason.

@Jason Carter you say “On item 1 I have often wondered this...would it be better to teach a learner with a bell that is down...and start to ring it up..to whatever level...maybe just below the balance. I am not sure, and I have never tried.”

That’s what the ART “bell down” teaching method promotes. I’ve used it successfully and many other have as well. I would suggest it’s a ‘lite’ teaching method which the less experienced teacher might find easier.

1. Call changes or just rounds…..Doesn’t have to be below the balance, which is not necessarily easier.
2. I know of examples where bells hung full circle are just chimed. Ringing lite, but maybe too lite?
3. Handbells, perhaps just one handbell each if attempting plain hunt and beyond?

I have to gently disagree with Jane.

What she fails to recognise is the scrutiny role of the Executive that members of the Council now have.
So if members don’t like what the Executive is doing they can call them to account and even elect a new Executive which is democracy, just in a different form.

I agree with Simon, the Council is now getting things done and not getting stuck in long debates with limited outcomes.

@Rosalind Martin and the rule for Cambridge Max is dodge 4 miss 2 dodge 4 places, which does ‘trim down’ to other stages of Cambridge..e.g. Major is dodge 2 miss 2 dodge 2 places.

Yes Yorkshire has some nice rules.

People think of them in different ways but my take on it is…

One half of the method you miss a dodge then do a set of places (“MP”). In the other half you do a set of places then miss a dodge (“PM”). 3rds place bell is fairly obvious and 2nds and 5ths place bell are relatively straight forward. in one half of the method you miss the dodge with your course bell and in the other half you miss the dodge with your after bell.

In Yorkshire Max the places add up to 10/12 in a given lead, 8/10 in Royal and 6/8 in Major.

Truro DG £zero peal fee….currently no written report for them (not many) to be published in.

@Simon Linford talks about the median ringer, but what about the statistical distribution of ability? My perception is that those at the top are getting better and better with mind blowing performances but those at the bottom are getting worse, so although the median might be Bob Minor the statistical ‘range’ is wider.

West Country style call changes perhaps?