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Keeping records of attendance for all ringing gatherings in a retrievable form for 75 years that looks to be something of a non-trivial exercise.

Tristan: "Well, the duty aspect is declining."
Interestingly I have just joined a cricket FB group and there has been mention there of the problems of getting regular commitment at local club level.

So are we saying that tower attendance records are "personnel records" and should be retained for 75 years?

"But I don't think we have until 2030 to do it."

I agree. I think we have got until about 1995.

I thought this one was swift:

https://bb.ringingworld.co.uk/view.php?id=445455

until I found this one:

https://bb.ringingworld.co.uk/view.php?id=1182441

The latest peal was somewhat slower:

https://bb.ringingworld.co.uk/view.php?id=1287285

... you have started me looking now...

Some modern rings of bells seem to be very flexible as to speed and can be rung well easily quickly and slowly. Some rings of bells seem to have their own fixed speed, as do some ringers. The range of peal speeds at Shirley is most interesting.

I expect we will get folk along soon with a wide range of statistics.

... on higher numbers the bells tend to be rung closer together than on lower numbers but overall the rows do spread a bit...

Of course it all depends on how fast you ring. Ringing on higher numbers tends to be slower partly because the bells tend to be heavier and partly because you have more bells to fit into each row. Have a look on BellBoard for some typical speeds. These days I seem to ring at about 30 changes per minute. A bit back on light eights 33ish felt comfortable. Some folk like hanging it out.

Not sure how speeds have changed over time. Probably a bit faster now with modern bearings and fittings.

Democratic involvement in the CCCBR is not limited so much by structure as by the lack of interest of the majority of ringers.

I don't suppose they did; and the ringers seemed to be ok with whatever was being rung. Just glad to be part of history.

So far I have rung three times in the last few days at three different village churches.

On Friday I rang from 12:00 mid-day with the muffles on. (According to protocol?)
Yesterday I rang open from 12:00 with the flag up and the muffles off. This seemed sensible as we had just seen the proclamation on the TV, but not in line with protocol?
This morning I rang for a morning service with the muffles on (according to protocol?).
This evening I am booked to ring with the muffles on (not according to protocol?)

So it is looking 50/50 by the end of the day.

I am getting a web site warning from those two links...

Don't worry about it. I haven't had a home tower for years. If it is ringing that you are interested in go where the ringing is. Looks like that is what everyone else has done.

That seems to me to be an excellent approach. Ringing is very much about how things feel and sound as well as look. Of course your quote is only good advice if you are ringing with a good band ringing well. Only ring with good ringers.

Not as such, as far as I am aware but I do miss a lot. There have been discussions about suitable methods for progression, such as using Little Bob to get the feel of treble bob ringing and progressing via Double Oxford Bob Minor, Norwich S Minor to Cornwall S Major rather than the traditional route in via Cambridge.
Minor ringing does not suffer the same problem that drove PPE. The most commonly rung Minor methods are reasonable from a musical point of view and you have to knock out all the 720 changes anyway just for a qp. Manky sounding stuff like 65s at back and plonky places at the back have generally been avoided historically.

The problem with S Major was that some of the commonly rung methods were (are) rather poor musically. But you have the book so you know all about it now. I continue to be fascinated as to how the standard 8 evolved. A lot to learn about human nature there about emotive attachments to history, tradition and the status quo and the problems with bringing about change even when logically the course of action is clear.

I am a tad disappointed. I (and I suspect others) have got rather used to sitting down in a comfy chair with a cup of cocoa and logging on to some event. Even our local association at the last AGM did a fine job or sorting out a hybrid meeting. When I was ranting on at a distance I think I was a disembodied voice echoing round the church. I suspect they just turned me off.

It is all rather disappointing though. Here we are, gone 17:00hrs, and no updates that I can find anywhere about either AGM.

"Gosh, maybe they could help all this despite their silly name ..."

Maybe. But the problem is not in coming up with possible structural models, banding or marketing. It is with implementation. When I see significant and widespread change on the ground I will believe.

I won't be all all impressed if they end up saying "we told you what to do but you did not do it."

Some of us have been dishing out free advice for years.

I can see that a consultancy firm could be of help with branding and marketing but first the product has to be sorted out; and we have more than a way to go with that.

The branding and marketing has to match with reality.

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Well I never.