Many ringers are only interested in ringing at their own towers and do not want to progress, let alone improve. — Sue Marsden
you mean a session where people can each ring with a simulator — John Harrison
I question the assumption that the organisation won't change but the members would if given the chance. That doesn't fit our experience. — John Harrison
This discussion seems to be going down the path of blaming everything on a nonexistent caricature of ringing. — John Harrison
If someone wants to ring for the Coronation where are they going to learn? — A J Barnfield
We generally know exactly who will turn up - usually the committee members plus a few other long time ringers ... I have never actually witnessed learners being humiliated at meetings. ... You might think this is 'humiliating' but I think that it is good for less experienced ringers to hear better ringing so they know what they can aim for — Sue Marsden
But a number of ringers at some towers make it quite clear that they are only interested in ringing at their own tower and are happy with the level they are at. — Sue Marsden
The long term ringers in my district are desperately trying to give up office in favour of the newer recruits, with very limited success. — Sue Marsden
District practices are aimed at learners and improvers so they can get to ring things they cannot in their own tower, but attendance is still low. ... However the training sessions at the Teaching centre using the simulator seem popular. — Sue Marsden
Many ringers are only interested in ringing at their own towers and do not want to progress, let alone improve. — Sue Marsden
Because posts in societies are dominated by long term ringers, there is also a fixation on peals, striking competitions and business meetings, which appeal to a minority. — Roger Booth
The Whiting Society was founded in 1968, and takes its name from its founding father, Arthur Whiting (1908-1975), who was a ringer at All Saints, Marple, Cheshire. Arthur was frustrated with the boring and seemingly interminable business meetings of the Chester Diocesan Guild at that time, which not infrequently overran into, and sometimes wiped out, the time allocated to evening ringing. He determined to form a group dedicated to making ringing enjoyable and actually getting on with it, rather than debate and discussion.
If only those who cling on and try to do everything themselves would learn to let go, it would make a huge difference. There are lots of talented people out there who could step in, they just need encouragement. They may make mistakes at first, and they may try new ideas, but in the longer term as more people are contributing, the workload for individuals will be less, not more. — Roger Booth
I'm pretty sure that a lot of people are awake on this one and have been for some time. It's just that the existing culture is very good at reinforcing itself, and is averse to change. — Roger Booth
The context is different when they are ringing in a 3 dimensional virtual circle rather than with just one other bell ringing. — Phillip George
Simple things don't get taught ... The step up from PB5 is enormous! — Phillip George
physical teaching is seen as a once-only process only the first bit tends to be done. — John Harrison
the ones able to pick up bell control intuitively once they can handle, and the ones who find method learning easy without help, tend to get ahead, while the rest struggle on while developing habits and attitudes that don't help them to advance. — John Harrison
"advanced ringers burned out by doing seemingly endless handling, CC and PH training" they are either being overloaded or they are not very good teachers. — David Smith
while they may on occasion ask their original teacher for comment or assistance, the role of that teacher is very different at these more advanced stages. — David Smith
The perceived gap is much bigger than the actual underlying gap. ... PB isn't that complex, but any complexity is too much if you haven't been given the skills to move your bell where you want it without having to think about the process. ... So those with good control skills progress to more methods as and when they get the opportunity — John Harrison
Satisfying the desires of the current occupants of towers, many of whom are likely to say they don't want anything, is unlikely to generate the large numbers of capable, motivated ringers needed to secure a healthy future for ringing. — John Harrison
Which issues, the falling standard of ringing, the falling numbers of ringers or the falling number of ringable towers? — Alan C
Perhaps a representative body for ringers might want to know what all ringers think rather than just the vociferous members. — Alan C
Gladly. In one phrase "community spirit". — Barbara Le Gallez
Maybe what you see depends on how you see it. — Barbara Le Gallez